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Mission Statement |
Welcome to The Traders' Den. We the administrators will be familiar faces to some, and new to others. Each of us have been involved in various trading communities for many years, and many have worked together on other trading sites. We have come together to create an online trading site with an entirely new ideology. This site will be geared towards a certain kind of collector: those who feel quality and integrity are important. Our policies will seem demanding to many users, but we have witnessed the decline in overall quality in many other trading circles due to lax restrictions. We offer a safe haven for traders frustrated with the dilution of quality in the trading pool, as well as our combined experience and devotion to helping new users enter an elite trading community. Please read the seeding rules, FAQs, and linked tutorials for more information as to how we are employing our ideals to better serve traders of all music tastes. If there are any questions, comments, or ways we can help make the experience more rewarding, please don't hesitate to post in our forums or message one of us. Quality is not an option in the seeds here, it will be the standard. |
Audio BitTorrent Seeding Policy |
To maintain the highest quality and purity for the trading pool, we have compiled a list of rules for making good seeds. Please read this list carefully before seeding here as our rules are likely the most stringent you'll find on any music sharing tracker. Each of these regulations are absolutely mandatory, and seeds that do not comply will be deleted from the tracker. Some rules will seem overbearing to some users, but these regulations are in place to ensure that we only spread recordings in "as good as it gets" quality so that all traders have equal opportunity to obtain the same music. If you have a question as to why a certain rule exists or are unsure if your seed complies, please feel free to post in Technobabble. If you have questions regarding this FAQ and wish to discuss them in a language other than english, please post in our multilingual forum, Babylon. 1. All seeds must be CD quality, lossless audio in FLAC, APE, or SHN format. 2. All seeds must be digitally pure (no diginoise) gapless audio files. 3. No official or out-of-print material is allowed. 4. All torrents must contain a complete seed. Spanning a single set over multiple seeds is not permitted. 5. CDR rips of material available on Silver CD and rips of CDRs burned from previously downloaded lossless files are not permitted. 6. If you rip an audio CD to lossless files, you must use an error correcting ripper. We understand that some people may have older rips where the result logs may not have been included. In this case, please give your files a close listen to ensure that they are error-free before seeding. All new rips should contain result logs. 7. Audio ripped from an MPEG video or DVD is not permitted. 8. All seeds must include a complete and accurate lineage, indicating what formats and media the audio has previously used. Starting June 1, 2009, if a show is dated after January 1, 2005, it MUST have complete and accurate lineage. There is really no reason for a show taped in the last couple of years to not have this info. In other words, unknown gen CDR > EAC > wav > flac type of lineage will no longer be allowed for shows taped after that date. (If you have questions about a particular show, please PM a Moderator.) Here are some examples of legal lineages:
9. All seeds must include a text file with complete recording information, including bands, dates, venues, lineages, and setlists. 10. All seeds must include either st5 checksums or FLAC ffp fingerprints. We understand that this is a radical departure from what many users are used to at other trading sites, but we are looking towards the future. Though it's not ready to be presented to the public, we will be making an archive of every seed made here, including the checksums. With traditional md5 checksums that look at the entire file, users cannot convert, tag, or re-compress their files, and thus are pigeonholed into the originally seeded format in order to have the checksum verify. St5 checksums and FLAC fingerprints only consider the audio data in a file, NOT any additional header information. Therefore, users are free to manipulate the files any way they choose and, so long as they do not alter the audio, the checksum will remain identical. Checksum naming for Audio (posts on or after November 6, 2023): Checksum file extensions (no quotes) are ".ffp" or ".st5" per the Windows OS (we know on MacOS and Linux it doesn't matter, but Windows is still the majority desktop OS). The filename part before the extension is up to you. Suggested filenames: Posts before November 6, 2023: The checksum naming before this date was undefined and thus older posts have been grandfathered in. Moderators, please do not delete an audio torrent for an incorrect checksum extension if it was posted before November 6, 2023. Fingerprints.ffp.txt is fine if it was posted before November 6, 2023. If you reseed a torrent originally posted before this date, rename/create the checksum file as per the now defined naming. Please read this guide Checksums Demystified for more information, or post in the Technobabble forum for more clarification on this issue. 11. Mini-disc is accepted ONLY if it's from the original source master. 12. Audio only Webcast Rips and Digital Broadcasts are not permitted on The Traders' Den. 13. Remasters are NOT allowed as of June 1, 2011. NOTE: You may post torrents here from other sites provided that they meet the TTD Policy standards. Sometimes other sites are a bit more lax on allowing commercially released material on their tracker. We are not a completely private tracker and therefore we cannot allow this. So, please, if you are reposting something from another site, you need to do a little bit of homework and make sure you are not uploading something that is commercially released. Sometimes this is just a couple of tracks. Just omit them from the torrent and then it is fine to upload it here. (You should make note in the thread that you removed the tracks.)
modified 2012-02-01, added dbpoweramp as an approved ripper in rule 6. modified 2023-11-05, rule 12 applies only to audio, not video. |
DVD Video BitTorrent Seeding Policy |
To maintain the highest quality and purity for the trading pool, we have compiled a list of rules for making good seeds. Please read this list carefully before seeding here as our rules are likely the most stringent you'll find on any music sharing tracker. Each of these regulations are absolutely mandatory, and seeds that do not comply will be deleted from the tracker. Some rules will seem overbearing to some users, but these regulations are in place to ensure that we only spread recordings in "as good as it gets" quality so that all traders have equal opportunity to obtain the same music. If you have a question as to why a certain rule exists or are unsure if your seed complies, please feel free to contact The Video Mods or post in Technobabble. If you have questions regarding this FAQ and wish to discuss them in a language other than english, please post in our multilingual forum, Babylon.
1. All seeds must be authored DVD-Video file structures. 2. No official or out-of-print material is permitted. 3. All seeds must have a properly named DVD file structure, including an appropriately named main folder and a VIDEO_TS subfolder. 4. All seeds must contain a correct md5 checksum of the contents of the VIDEO_TS folder. Until we get something written in this FAQ, here is a short method written by feralicious: Grab md5summer from www.md5summer.org
Just open it up, navigate to the folder of your DVD and click on "create sums" Choose "select all" and then "add" and then "ok" Wait a while for it to do its thing When it's finished it will open up the "save" window, just make sure you save it with the .md5 extension and your good to go! One thing I usually do when I remember is go in and edit it by right clicking on the md5 and selecting "edit" and take out the md5summer references because if you use a program other than md5summer to verify that text shows up as an error and I find that annoying. Good applications to use to create checksums include Trader's Little Helper (PC), www.md5summer.org (PC), and xACT (Mac). Please do NOT use Easy MD5 Creator as it creates non-standard md5 checksums. Other applications you may use are listed in the Freeware Software Links. Look Inside If You're Stuck! FAQ. 5. All torrents must consist of a complete set, no partials will be permitted. If you are concerned that your torrent is large and will take a long time to be shared amongst the community, consider this option. Make a few copies of your show you would like to seed, mail them to several other people (approximately $1-2 per copy), and have them help co-seed the show with you. This not only allows you to get your show out to others more quickly, but it also saves bandwidth, especially if your ISP tightly regulates how much upload you are allowed per month. 6. All seeds must contain a complete and accurate lineage. Also, ANY TV Broadcast or AUD recorded video from 2005 on MUST have COMPLETE & ACCURATE lineage!! There is NO EXCUSE for a show recorded in the last couple years to NOT have this.
What is the complete and accurate lineage?
Format the show was recorded with and onto? Transfer from Source to Hard Drive and What format? Program/Software used to do the transfer and author? All equipment, cables, cards, etc involved in the process to achieve the above. We would honestly not like any shows on here that do not have complete & accurate lineage, however we understand its not likely to track down the taper/transfer/author for a show from 10-20 yrs ago (this is why there are examples of lineage listed above). If you got a show from this point on in a trade, please do some research on it to get all the information available on it before seeding. You either know the information or you don't (ie, you did the transfer/authoring work from the VHS or you didnt). If you don't know the information because you received a dvd via trade or downloaded it from another site where the capture/transfer info was not provided, then the lineage would read something like one of these: - For a SA (StandAlone) DVD (does not have correct chapter marks, usually 5 min chapters): - An authored DVD (At least has correct chapter points, but may have menu's): *Pick one Look at what you have. Picture quality wise, what does it look like (master, 1-2 Gen, High Gen VHS)? Is it authored or a SA (Standalone)? If you can't tell the difference in quality from a Master & other Gens of tapes, I'm truly sorry. Generation's of the copies of the actual dvd are misleading BS, period. Some examples of correct lineage: Example 1: Video: AUD (Tripod) Master
Master: JVC Single Tube Camera, Nak 300 Shotguns > 0 Decks > Panasonic AG-7400 > S-VHS Master Transfer: S-VHS Master > Panasonic AG-7150 > Canopus ADVC-100 > iMac G4 > Final Cut Pro 3 > DVD Studio Pro 1 NTSC 4:3 D1 & D3 8400 kbs, D2 7400 kbs 720X480 29.97 fps Audio: SBD > DAT > CDR LPCM 1.5 Mbs Example 2: Video Source: TV > Master broadcast VHS > Sony SLV-D300P > AVT-8710 TBC > Sony RDR-GX 300 > Vegas 6.0d > TMPGEnc MPEG Editor 1.0.1.59 > DVD Architect 3.0c (720 x 480 29.97 fps NTSC 5836 Kbps VBR, Peak = 9016 Kbps).
Audio Source: SBD > Cassette Master (Maxell MX90) > Sony TC-WE475 > Sony R500 (Pass Through) > SEK'D Prodif Plus > Samplitude Professional v8.01 > FLAC > WAV > DAW(Bertha) > FLAC > WAV > Adobe Audition > Vegas 6.0b (Dolby AC-3 Stereo 448 Kbps 48Khz) Example 3: Video: AUD (Tripod) > Master > Firewire > Vegas 7.0 > Architect 4.0 > DVD PAL, 720 x 576 5 MB/sec variable
Audio: SBD LPCM Example of Incorrect Lineage: Generation: TV>VHS(1)>MINI-DV(1)>DVDR(3) ->HDD -> DVDR(4) when burned
Lineage for Silver DVDs: Silver DVDs are allowed if they meet the following considerations. If a known lineage source already exists on the tracker, Silver DVDs may NOT be seeded. Remasters of Silver DVDs must include source information for adjustments and be an improvement from ac3 to LPCM. Improvements within audio codec will NOT be allowed without previous approval based on undeniable proof. Proper lineage would look something like: Audience shot > ? > Silver DVD
TV Broadcast > ? > Silver DVD or the following Silver DVD with remastering. Audience shot > ? > Silver DVD
This audience shot video is the same as the already released DVD by *insert username*, *TTD Link*, with improved (LPCM, approved AC3) audio. I have attached samples below. new audio source - AKG 481 > SD 744 @ 24/48 7. All seeds must include the video system (NTSC or PAL), audio codec and bitrate information in the info file.
See our FAQ, How to get Video Stats for your DVD for help in obtaining this information. To see what this information tells us, please read "How can I use the Lineage provided with DVDs to my advantage?" 8. Digital cable and satellite broadcast rips are permitted so long as a complete listing of the software and hardware used to make the rip is listed. No video webcasts are allowed. 9. Only DVDs produced from MPEG-2 may be seeded here. 10. No Transcoded or Re-Encoded DVDs are allowed. We normally do NOT allow any sort of re-encoded video, however it has come to our attention that there are a very few number of shows that originated in PAL being rebroadcast in NTSC. We have decided to allow these ONLY if the following information is provided when the torrent is uploaded and plainly clear in the first post of the torrent thread (this is in addition to all other required information): rebroadcast date, rebroadcast country, rebroadcast channel. If this additional information is not clearly stated in the thread, the show will be pulled. NOTE: Due to a poor quality encode on the fly done by ConcertTV, we will not allow NTSC Rockpalast or any other broadcasts originating in PAL countries on this channel to be seeded.
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High Definition Video BitTorrent Seeding Policy |
(For the DVD Video BitTorrent Seeding Policy please check here.) This is in the works at the moment. If you have comments, post them in this thread - What about High Definition streams? To maintain the highest quality and purity for the trading pool, we have compiled a list of rules for making good seeds. Please read this list carefully before seeding here as our rules are likely the most stringent you'll find on any music sharing tracker. Each of these regulations are absolutely mandatory, and seeds that do not comply will be deleted from the tracker. Some rules will seem overbearing to some users, but these regulations are in place to ensure that we only spread recordings in "as good as it gets" quality so that all traders have equal opportunity to obtain the same music. If you have a question as to why a certain rule exists or are unsure if your seed complies, please feel free to contact a Video Mod or post in the Technobabble Forum and ask. 1. No official or out-of-print material is permitted. 2. Permitted file formats.
3. Not permitted file formats.
4. No Transcoded or Re-Encoded high definition videos are allowed.
5. All seeds must contain a correct md5 checksum of the contents of the video folder. Until we get something written in this FAQ, here is a short method written by feralicious:
One thing I usually do when I remember is go in and edit it by right clicking on the md5 and selecting "edit" and take out the md5summer references because if you use a program other than md5summer to verify that text shows up as an error and I find that annoying. 6. All torrents must consist of a complete set, no partials will be permitted. 7. All seeds must contain a complete and accurate lineage, audio codec and bitrate information in the info file. What is the complete and accurate lineage?
Format the show was recorded with and onto? Transfer from Source to Hard Drive and What format? Program/Software used to do the transfer and author? All equipment, cables, cards, etc involved in the process to achieve the above. If you got a show from this point on in a trade, please do some research on it to get all the information available on it before seeding. If you don't know the information because you received a video via trade or downloaded it from another site where the capture/transfer info was not provided, then contact the person uploading and find out these details, otherwise, it will NOT be allowed here. The following information is required with every show:
Note: Audio in MP2 format is permitted for Transport Stream only (a case for some European HD TV channels). Please note that MP2 is not Blu-ray compatible audio format and as such it has to be transcoded when authored to a Blu-ray disc – preferably to LPCM to avoid double re-encoding as it would be the case for AC3 encoder. Here are examples of correct lineage and video properties:
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Getting Shows Removed from the Tracker |
There are a number of reason's why someone may want something removed from the tracker. If you need a Mod's attention to get something removed, please hit the Report this Post link,, and you may ask us to remove the show. |
Glossary |
The following is a list we have compiled of commonly used terms on this site: BitTorrent Terms Audio Terms Video Terms Miscellaneous Terms |
Freeware Software Links. Look Inside If You're Stuck! |
The following is a list of free software packages useful to music traders. Most of the entries are mentioned elsewhere in this FAQ in the specific categories they relate to, so search around for more information. Windows/PC Software: Macintosh Software: Linux Software: Free Image Hosting: Pay-for-use Software |
B&Ps, Vines, Trees, Loops, Snail Mail Trades, Etc. |
While primarily being a BitTorrent community, we seek to have a thriving community of more traditional modes of audio and video trading as well. We currently have special forums dedicated to snail mail trades, B&P offers, loops, and vines. Read descriptions of each of these types, and then cruise on over to the forums and participate. If you're feeling generous, offer up some discs to those amongst us who are not fortunate enough to have high bandwdith capacity for download BitTorrents. |
Posting Guidelines |
Each forum contains specific discussions. To make sure your post gets to the right place, please read through the posting guidelines. Note this site prohibits all advertising and commercial enterprise. Any SPAM, advertising links, lists of items for sale, or offers to sell bootleg CDRs/DVDRs will be deleted. Repeat offenders will have their accounts banned. Also, please do not post any users full name, address, phone number, or IP address. In other words, don't post their private information here.
A word about the moderators |
The Traders' Den User Options |
As with any site, we offer handful of choices to allow users to customize the look and feel of the site. If there's any features you've enjoyed on other sites that you feel are missing here, or if you'd like to make suggestions on the layout and feel of the site, please post in the Site Announcements & Suggestions Forum. |
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